The UFO Iconoclast(s)

Wednesday, September 17, 2014

For Bruce Duensing (and a few others)

Two papers [PDFs]...

One about anomalous experiences (UFOs, ghosts, et cetera) -- why they occur and who experiences them:

Anomalous Experiences

And this -- Dealing with Astrology, UFOs, and Faces on Other Worlds: A Guide to Addressing Astronomical Pseudoscience in the Classroom:

441

RR

Tuesday, September 16, 2014

The Trent/McMinnville UFO is a truck mirror?

Over at Kevin Randle's blog our friend Zoam Chomsky [The Iron Skeptic] posted a comment purported to tell readers there that farmer Trent, who took the (in)famous McMinnville flying disk photos (1950), used his truck mirror to hoax the photos he took, and this photo shows the mirror used:
Now we like Zoam but this photo was taken after the May 1950 photo session. Did Farmer Trent re-attach the mirror he supposedly used to create his flying saucer photos?

Yes, there are several arguments made for a Trent family hoax, but there are equally valid arguments that the Trents did see and, indeed, photographed an odd flying object.

Zoam's comment at Randle's blog is off the mark however, as here we have the mirror, mischievously used, back in place on farmer Trent's truck.

One skeptical comment bites the dust.

RR

The Roswell Slides: An Update

We had hoped that Anthony Bragalia would provide a posting about what’s going on in the “Roswell slides” matter but I think he’s not interested.

It seems that possessor of the slides has removed The Roswell [Dream] Team from an association with the slides.

Mr. Bragalia, like us (and some of you) would like to see the slides make a public appearance and they may, but not imminently it seems.

Mr. Bragalia cannot tell us anything more than he has, he tells me.

Our resident space intellectual, Larry, who has seen the slides, close up, isn’t about to say they show an alien body but he does admit the Kodachromes do show an odd humanoid body and that the slides need much more scientific scrutiny, which they have gotten or are getting, the “owner” footing the costs of such scrutiny.

So, we’ll all only get to see the slides when and if they appear on a broadcast show from one of the usual presenters of fringe material: History, Science, Discovery, et cetera.

RR

Is this anything? Nope....

http://www.jspacenews.com/5000-year-old-moon-shaped-monument-found-israel/

Sunday, September 14, 2014

Ufology Flies Further into the Flaky Arena

Many of you chastised Anthony Bragalia for his latest posting about remote viewing and Roswell, with attendant commentary about a Roswell séance from Nick Redfern.

And our favorite site about the paranormal -- The Anomalist – has become truly enamored of the fringe, UFOs as spiritual quirks, et cetera.

This reminds me of the 16th Century when the western world was engulfed in goofy activities and odd pretenses, as recounted in this book:
The 1500s were beset by a societal change – The Church of Rome under attack by Martin Luther and eventually unseated as the moral arbiter of human behavior by the Protestant movement.

This caused generally reasonable men (and women) to become mentally disoriented, causing them to accept or adopt practices that raised hob inside society.

(The Salem Witch Trials of the 1600s are an example.)

What is happening now that is creating societal turmoil that even extends to the obscure and ridiculous segment defined ad “ufology”?

Why it’s the onslaught of extreme Islamic movement, that hopes to unseat what it sees as the corruption of civilization by the western powers, headed by the United States of America and Great Britain.

The mental anxiety produced by this extreme “religious” movement seems to have infected even those who are usually removed from societal plights: UFO mavens.

While UFOs have a reported tangibility or reality as seen in the historical record and especially the journalistic record of the modern era, those who are mentally disjointed, at some level, by the societal upheaval promulgated by al Qaeda and currently ISIS in the middle east, have brought their disjointedness into the UFO arena.

Alien abductions and extraterrestrial visitation have been replaced by the idea that UFOs are a product of the eerie spiritual milieu – ghosts and spirits are the cause of UFO sightings and are the underlying explanation of UFOs – the UFO reality.

Just as spiritualism and psychic séances became epidemic in the late 1800s, those oddball activities are now recurring in the UFO community, besmirching a topic [UFOs] that is already too weird to be considered by sane individuals, let alone science.

Sure, ESP and related psychic manifestations should be studied by those who think there is intellectual or evolutionary gold inside those freaky matters.

But UFOs? Does that phenomenon need one more bizarre accretion added to its already baffling and queer lore?

RR

Friday, September 12, 2014

REMOTE VIEWING ROSWELL: CAN PSYCHICS REVEAL CRASH DETAILS? by Anthony Bragalia

Uncovering the truth about the Roswell UFO crash of 1947 means securing credible and corroborated witness testimony, historical records and other documentation as well as physical and circumstantial evidence.
But are there other meaningful ways to gain insight into the nature of the crash?  Could the use of psychic abilities be of value in such investigation?

Some people believe so. They point to the use of an extrasensory approach to gaining information about what really happened in the New Mexico desert over six and a half decades ago. They speak of Remote Viewing Roswell.

Remote Viewing

Remote Viewing (RV) is a term used to describe a controlled mental faculty that allows a “viewer” to provide data and detail that is not accessible through traditional sensory means because of distance, time or shielding.

Certain individuals are adept in applying this advanced mode of perception. They can acquire information about people, places or things in ways that transcend the traditional five senses. They have honed mental processes that enable them to tune in and “sense” these “targets” using “psi” or psychic ability. Using this “complimentary cognition” they can detect, describe and decode dimensional data that can help to answer questions relating to “who, what, when, where and why.”

It is a matter of historical record that a range of US federal military and intelligence agencies (and their contractors, such as SAIC and Stanford Research Institute) believed enough in the potential of this psychic ability that they conducted RV studies over a span of three decades- from the 1970’s into the 1990’s. They had project names such as Sun Streak, Star Gate and Grill Flame.

Though there were many successful RV sessions (recorded by the viewer as sketches and notes made about the target) that were later found to be correct, these results were not consistent nor always actionable, and the (acknowledged) funding of these US Government efforts has now seemingly  ended.

Some of those who were affiliated with these officially-sanctioned RV studies today continue their interest professionally by offering education and training programs as well as through delivering private RV services.

Receiving Roswell

The most common use of RV by the DOD and CIA was to locate lost aircraft and to find enemy installations. It would then seem natural (and likely) that examining an event like the Roswell crash through RV had occurred.

But such historical things as the Roswell crash were apparently far lower on the RV priority list than fulfilling more immediate information requirements. Major General Albert Stubblebine, who led a major US Army Intelligence RV program, stated in a Q&A in a 1992 lecture held in Colorado that no official RV work on Roswell was ever conducted. He did allow though that private efforts along those lines may have occurred.

A Private Roswell RV Effort

William E. Jones is a long-time Battelle Memorial Institute executive. He is also an Ohio-based Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) investigator. He states that in the 1990s he had received a report on Roswell from an individual whom he trusts implicitly whose name Jones wishes to keep confidential. The source is described by Jones as objective, science-oriented and well respected in the RV community. He adds that the source is not Ed Dames (the controversial former military intelligence man engaged in official RV experiments.) This hints to me that the source, though not Dames, was similarly in military intelligence at one time.

The Remote Viewing Report provided to and shared by Jones reads in part:

Problem Description

Locate the Whereabouts of the Roswell Wreckage.

"Question: Where is the majority of the Roswell crash wreckage now [1994]? Where is it being studied now?”

"Large pieces of triangular and strut-like pieces of debris, wrapped in green cloth (surgical drapes) and over-wrapped in tarpaulin are sitting on dusty shelves in a warehouse at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. They are very high up on, to the very end of row 5. This row is the farthest right as you enter the front entrance of the warehouse. The warehouse door is open to the light and, currently, not closely guarded.

"People come and go through the open door. There is an office space to the left of the front door and all the itinerary of the warehouse is coded in a locked file in a two story stone building on the base. Documents there are dated 1958 and are yellowed with age around the edges. They relate to physical examination of the debris. The documents have a decal on the top left, of a circle with a horizontal line through, and writing is superimposed on the design. The debris is not currently being studied but there is renewed interest from Los Alamos. I did not see any round debris (flying saucer shape).

 "Question: Is there important documentation to be found about the crash in non-secret vaults, such as government archives or presidential libraries? If so, which ones?’

"All the important documentation related to the crash is still in secret vaults and not available to the public, yet.

"Question: Sometime in the future will there be a key witness or document that will ‘break-open’ the Roswell case in the future? Please describe the document or the person. What is the color of the marking at [the] top/bottom of the document?”

"Wings. Blue. The manager of the Wright-Patterson warehouse has been there a very long time and knows what is on the shelves. Maybe when he retires he will be able to give information."

Though anecdotal, the above account illustrates the kind information and impressions on Roswell that can be related by such remote viewers. The session provides clues and specific details that can be acted upon, and this researcher is now doing just that.

The Right Way to RV Roswell

Another private effort at discerning the details of the crash was related by paranormal and spiritual researcher Lon Strickler. Strickler has been featured on Coast-to-Coast radio and his website, Phantoms and Monsters, is well-received. Lon is also a Case Manager with Spirit Rescue International, a highly regarded non-profit British organization that conducts paranormal investigations without charge to their clients. The founder, UK intuitive and remote viewer Irene Allen-Black, is a registered member of the prestigious Society for Psychical Research.

On December 8th, 2011, Strickler announced on the Spirit Rescue International website that he was going to conduct a well-designed remote viewing project. What he proposed- and the protocol for this RV experiment- is very instructive:

“During the past 2 1/2 years, and since my involvement with Spirit Rescue International, I have wondered if a series of remote viewing sessions could offer relevant information on the supposed 1947 Roswell, NM UFO Crash Incident. I have researched this subject and most of what I have found were minor references to the Star Gate Project (possible government RV training target?) but nothing substantial. It is most likely a few remote viewers have attempted to perceive the location and circumstances, but details are scarce.

The term remote viewing emerged as shorthand to describe a more structured approach to clairvoyance. It was said that Star Gate only received a mission after all other intelligence attempts, methods, or approaches had already been exhausted. This may be a true statement officially, though I doubt that was the full extent of use.

“The remote view protocol that we use at Spirit Rescue International is defined as ‘scientific’ and/or ‘coordinate’ remote viewing. In order to apply it to the Roswell Incident there would need to be more monitor control, protocol modification, use of the correct data type and extended sessions. The sessions would be conducted by remote viewers who have minimal knowledge of the Roswell Incident. We believe these objectives can be achieved.

The project has now been scheduled and will begin shortly. Several targets will need to be set and each target will need to be perceived by a minimum of two remote viewers. For those readers who are familiar with how SRI conducts our investigations it will become apparent that the project will require a significant amount of time to complete. The information collected will be examined by researchers intimately familiar with the Roswell Incident. All of the data will then be compiled and condensed into a final report which will then be released at the discretion of Spirit Rescue International.”

Unfortunately, nearly three years later, there has been no follow-up to this story by Strickler and he chose not to respond to my email inquiry for an update. Curiously the 2011 piece announcing the RV project has since been taken down off of the website

Perhaps the results of the project are being kept private so as to not ‘contaminate’ future RV accounts of the Roswell crash.

The Wrong Way to RV Roswell

The two known intelligence officers that were officially engaged in government directed RV studies who have spoken about their private efforts at remote viewing Roswell are Joe McMoneagle and Ed Dames. And unfortunately both have questionable motives and both carry credibility ‘baggage.’

Joe McMoneagle is a retired US Army intelligence officer who was recruited for the Top Secret remote viewing program Star Gate. He was also tested for his abilities by government contract at Stanford Research Institute. He now runs a corporate consulting firm called Intuitive Intelligence Applications. He also has made many failed predictions based on his alleged ability to view the past, present and future. This includes things that never happened such as a vaccine for AIDS by 2006 to the Criswell Predicts-sounding announcement that a craze would emerge in the 2000s where temporary tattoos would replace clothing.

McMoneagle seems to feel based on his RV work that the Roswell event happened closer to Socorro and involved the collision of two terrestrial, experimental aircraft that somehow involved “sensitive materials.” In an interview some years later however, he told of a bizarrely different, contradictory scenario where the crash site “represents an ingress-egress point into and out of our time-space locale, a specific requirement attached to their modality of star-to-star travel.”

Major Ed Dames was in charge of a US Defense Intelligence Agency team of remote viewers. He too now operates a business consulting company, PSI TECH. And like McMoneagle, Dames promotes his business and charges substantial fees to his clients. And like McMoneagle,.Dames has made many failed and wild predictions, including about locating the fabled Atlantis.

Dames claims to have learned from his remote viewing of Roswell that the alien beings who crashed then traveled back in time and prevented the crash from occurring. This caused all physical evidence from the crash to disappear but left intact people’s memories of collecting and examining the evidence.

Clearly McMoneagle and Dames, rather than remote viewing Roswell, are on flights of fantasy.

What is Needed to Do it Right    

What is needed to conduct such a RV-Roswell project is, first and foremost, an assembly of well-intentioned, impartial and trustworthy individuals with demonstrated remote viewing skills. 

Participants would be unpaid and anonymous to discourage money or fame as rewards. As Lon Strickler notes, the volunteers would have minimal knowledge or preconception about Roswell. 

Impressions about Roswell that are gained by the volunteers would be examined for similarities and corroborative accounts.

 A ‘target’ is a specific piece of information that is sought about a person, place or event. The first questions that should be posed should relate to targets such as physical evidence and the identities of those currently involved in managing that evidence:

-Where is Roswell crash debris located that is in private hands?

-Where is Roswell crash debris located that has been secured by government?

-Where are any notes or diaries taken at the time about the crash located?

-Where is official documentation on the crash located?

-Name individuals who are currently involved in studying the Roswell crash finds.

These are all items that are actionable. The remote viewers’ impressions can be verified as accurate. People can be contacted. Places can be visited. Hidden things can be found.

Why it May Work


It is evident that the visiting alien operates in the realm of the hyper-dimensional. They traverse the cosmos by exerting influence over space and time. Communication is achieved by the direct transference of thought to mind.

Going out of our heads and beyond time to remote view Roswell may be the best way to understand it. My sense is that it will all become much clearer when viewed through the mind’s eye.

AJB 

Thursday, September 11, 2014

Where is the UFO book we should all have and read?

Each culture, each discipline has a book or two that represent a clarification of that culture or discipline; that is, the book or books are essential to the intellectual evolution of our species, humankind.

For example, in Literature there are Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, Dante’s [Divine] Comedy, Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, Tolstoy’s War and Peace, James Joyce’s Ulysses, among countless others you can name.

In politics, geo-economics, sociology are Machiavelli’s The Prince, Tocqueville’s Democracy in America, Marx’s Das Capital, to name a niggardly few.

In psychology is Freud’s The Interpretation of Dreams, or any number of Jung’s oeuvre.

In science, besides the magnum opuses of the early Greeks, or Copernicus’ De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, there is, in the modern era, Hawking’s A Brief History of Time, and many others.

You get my point (I hope).

But in Ufology or just among the many UFO writers who’ve published books, who has written the magnum opus of UFOs?

Not Berlitz, or Jacques Vallee, or Jerry Clark, or Brad Steiger, or Kevin Randle, or Stanton Friedman, or anyone else.

The UFO topic, while rife among a few fringe fanatics who visit here and other UFO venues, has not received a book or tome that sums up the phenomenon or even comes close to clarifying what UFOs are, sociologically, scientifically, or even fantastically.

There is no UFO book that one has to have or has to read.

The subject matter is devoid of an important, essential read or book.

What does this tell us about our lives, those of us enamored of UFOs?

And what does it tell us about UFOs as a relevant part of human life?

RR

Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Robert Sheaffer provides (at Kevin Randle's blog) the Joel Carpenter analysis of the Trent/McMinnville photos

And ongoing discussion of the Trent/McMinnville UFO photos at Kevin Randle's blog has brought out the usual pro/con comments of some UFO habitues.

Robert Sheaffer checked in and provided, magnanimously, a link to a "lost" exegesis of the Trent photos by (the now deceased?) Joel Carpenter in 2004.

The analysis by Mr. Carpenter is a prime example of how a UFO sighting/event should be evaluated and here is the link that Mr. Sheaffer provided....and we thank him for making it available again:

http://tinyurl.com/CarpenterTrent

(I normally wouldn't intrude upon Mr. Randle's effort but this Trent analysis is so good that I think it should be seen by as many ufological hobbyists as possible.)

RR

Dr. Lincoln LaPaz on his observation of Green Fireball(s)

A paper from a February 1949 [Top Secret] conference at Los Alamos Scientific Center wherein Dr. Lincoln LaPaz discusses (with Dr. Edward Teller et al.) his observation of a Green Fireball:

Page One

Page Two

(David Rudiak may try to say this came from his site, but it didn't. It appeared at our original UFO blog in 2004.)

RR

Tuesday, September 09, 2014

Rothenberg Boy 9-13-1966 -- A UFO sighting?

I came across this drawing in our UFO archives.

It's entitled RothenbergBoy9-13-1966.

But I can't find any reference (via Google or in our UFO library) to a Rothenberg UFO sighting.

Anyone got an idea?

RR

Media vs Media


Monday, September 08, 2014

A reminder to my unsophisticated, ill-read, unintellectual readers

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

-William Shakespeare
  Julius Caesar


Sunday, September 07, 2014

For Nick Redfern -- not about UFOs!

Jack the Ripper identified via DNA test:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1458093/dna-evidence-reveals-identity-of-jack-the-ripper/

Saturday, September 06, 2014

Brit UFO Writer James Easton on Socorro [from UFO UpDates, 2001]

James Easton wrote about the Socorro event, in answer to Don Ledger -- the Shag Harbor advocate -- at UFO Updates in 2001.

Mr. Easton addresses Raven Industries and its balloon prototypes.

Ravin Industries was the CIA front used by Howard Hughes for his lunar lander prototype tests.

Click HERE to read the Easton hypothesis.

RR

Friday, September 05, 2014

A paper that puts Roswell and other UFO things in perspective

Dead on Arrival?
The Development of the Aerospace Concept, 1944–58
by STEPHEN M. ROTHSTEIN, MAJOR, USAF
School of Advanced Airpower Studies

This paper, which is archived at our (private) UFO web-site, contains the military milieu for the period when flying saucers were prominent and the Roswell incident had taken place.

These excerpts show the internecine conflict between the U.S. Army, The U.S. Navy, and the new U.S. Air Force, and why I think the U.S. Navy is the ultimate source for UFO information, not the U.S. Air Force.

The paper also makes clear that if a extraterrestrial craft had crashed and was recovered near Roswell, the event didn't impact the United States military in an overt, significant way.

The paper also allows for a possible non-extraterrestrial accident that might account for the Roswell incident.

And the last excerpt here could give a clue as to why James Forrestal was murdered....

On 20 November 1943, von Kármán forwarded the report to the War Department.4 For reasons unclear, the Air Force backed away from the project. ORD, however, did not; and in January 1944, they contracted von Kármán’s team to begin research in White Sands, New Mexico. By the year’s end, ORDCIT had fired an eight-foot, 500-pound missile 11 miles down range and was be-ginning to explore the effect of attaching lifting devices to improve its range and guidance characteristics. 

Interestingly, all of these events—as well as the emergence of the aerospace concept itself—took place prior to the Air Force gaining its independence in July 1947. Furthermore, these events established virtually every strand of horizontal and internal issues that will come to challenge the aerospace concept throughout the rest of this study. Consequently, understanding the period of 1944–47 is critical.

The Navy’s role was to control the high seas. Naval leadership—attuned to the emerging possibilities of rocketry to extend the reach of their fleets, as well as the Army’s organizational maneuvering with the Germans and Project Hermes—decided to enter the missile melee.

Beginning roughly in July 1947, the aerospace concept fell upon hard times, stagnating—and at times perhaps even receding—for the better part of the next six years.

If in the summer of 1947 the aerospace concept appeared to be taking hold within the Air Force, encouraged by Air Force leaders clearly thinking about the prospect of an operational domain that naturally extended beyond the atmosphere, within three years the concept had all but died.

“Secretary Forrestal Announces Results of Key West Agreements, 26 March 1948” (n.d., located in Air University Library, Maxwell AFB, Ala.), 9, 12. The resulting potential ambiguity between the Air Force and the Navy over which service owned the strategic at-tack role was clarified in a subsequent amendment to the Key West Agreement that appeared three months after it was signed. On 1 July 1948, Secretary Forrestal issued a memorandum for record that said “the Navy’s requirement for . . . forces . . . would not be the basis for the development of a strategic air force. On the other hand, the memorandum also included the statement that ‘although strategic air warfare was assigned to the Air Force as a primary function, it was agreed that the Navy should not be denied the air necessary to accomplish its mission.’” Quoted from “Chronology of Changes in Key West Agreements, April 1948–January 1958,” prepared by the Historical Section, Joint Chiefs of Staff on 7 February 1958...

RR

Singular UFO sightings/events

One of the problems with UFO “research” or scrutiny is that significant UFO episodes happen once and are rarely or never repeated, causing absence of the repeatability intrinsic to scientific methodology.

For instance, the World War II phenomenon of “foo fighters” never occurred again, nor the ghost rockets over Scandinavia.

Kenneth Arnold’s chain of “saucers” has not been seen outside the 1947 time-frame.

A Roswell incident has not recurred, Aztec being a misguided extrapolation of the Roswell tale.

The green fireballs over the American southwest in the late 40s and early 50s, despite a spate of later sightings, have not been seen in the sighting numbers that took place originally.

The McMinnville (Trent) object, while duplicated in hoaxes, never appeared again in legitimate photographs.

The odd entities allegedly seen alongside landed aerial craft in the 1950s, mostly in Europe, have not recurred.

While the 1959 Reverend Gill (Papua. New Guinea) sighting provided elements seen in similar sightings (noted here recently), archetypal sightings are missing in UFO reportage.

The giants of Voronezh (Russia), 1989, never showed up again.

The Betty/Barney Hill abduction, the Travis Walton kidnapping, the Pascagoula experience, and Rendlesham kinds of events were one of a kind, not duplicated or even approximated in later or recent UFO reports.

The raft of alien abduction accounts can be placed in a neurological setting, not an actual physical setting.

And yes, UFO sightings over military installations, can be said to have been duplicated and still occurring but no related sighting has the cachet of the sightings noted above.

(There are other singular UFO sightings or episodes that you can, also, cite certainly.)

That such UFO sightings, as those noted, are virtually unique goes to the problem of investigation or scientific scrutiny; one time, singular events lie outside methodologies to explain them.

Why is this so when it comes to UFOs?

That’s the matter “ufology” can’t deal with, and hasn’t.

RR

Thursday, September 04, 2014

The Theology of Ufology

Lance Moody’s recent comment about David Rudiak’s Roswell/UFO belief system…

“[David can be and always [is] in the service of his Lord, Saucer Jesus”

… goes to what happens to people who become enmeshed in the UFO (Roswell) topic; they become religious-like in their adherence to the phenomenon.

For instance, in my several year association with Anthony Bragalia, I’ve seen him become fanatically “catholic” about UFOs, with Roswell becoming the core of his belief system, even as he eschews some of the other UFO cults (Trent/McMinnville, Socorro, et cetera).

David Rudiak, whom Lance references, is evangelical about UFOs and Roswell is his “Jesus.”

Kevin Randle is like a Seven Day Adventist: sort of believing after once fervently believing in UFOs as the prime example of ET visitation.

The ultimate atheist is Zoam Chomsky, followed less fervently by Gilles Fernandez and Lance Moody himself.

The agnostics – CDA and me – accept UFOs as real but have no idea what the essence of the phenomenon (or phenomena) is (are).

One can find other UFO aficionados who might have a theological or non-theological belief system intact – many being visitors here – but I’ll leave the comment section for them to add their confessionals.

RR

Wednesday, September 03, 2014

David Rudiak responds but....

I got a comment from David Rudiak for the posting prior to this but I'm not putting it down for posterity. It was a personal attack, which David can't refrain from doing....he has little sense of humor when it comes to Roswell or UFOs altogether.

But I'd like to insist that in the Roswell time-frame there were lots of balloon tests going on, besides Mogul or Helios. For example, this from the NASA archives:

A description is presented of main balloon applications, giving attention to the Skyhook project, the Moby-Dick project, the Transosonde project, the Rockoon project, and the projects Stratolab and Manhigh.

David is fixated on Mogul and we all know why, don't we?

Mac Brazel was a dolt, and his "debris" was balloon scrap, just as the Army said.

RR

Our Source(s) for the Brazel/Roswell Alien Debris Dismissal

David Rudiak likes to think that his Roswell site is the fount of all information about Roswell and that material appearing online comes from his site.

However, some of us have been at this a lot longer than Mr. Rudiak, and we have, online, material that does not derive from his site.....exactly the opposite often occurs.

If one Googles the title of our previous Brazel posting, they will find this:

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2007/04/original-sources-of-1947-roswell_26.html

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2007_04_22_archive.html

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ParanormalGhostSociety/conversations/topics/50152

Our original information from the NASA archives along with a site that borrowed our input, which is okay with us. (There are others as you'll see with a Google search.)

Moreover, here is an insert that causes us to speculate on the Brazel "debris" find:
And here is the full paper from December 1947 that tells us Mac Brazel found something from the tests that took place in his area......this does not come from Mr. Rudiak's site. We found it during our "research" years ago:

Controlled Balloon Flights over Roswell, July 1947

RR

Kenneth Arnold: Delusional ET Believer or Observer of Actual Odd Flying Objects?

This appeared in the article, pictured above [Saturday Evening Post, April 30, 1949]:
Arnold, while investigating the (alleged) Maury Island sighting in June 1947, generally considered a hoax, saw, "while flying to the scene of the investigation," as the segment above reports, a "covey of twenty-five flying disks."

Did Arnold really see 25 flying disks or had he become delusional within the hectic flying saucer cultural milieu of the time period?

One can make a case for delusion [See Symptoms of Psychopathology, John Wiley & Sons, 1970, Page 55 ff.].

While Kenneth Arnold's initial iconic sighting of nine objects near Mount Ranier is still open to interpretation, his stated observation of a covey of twenty-five flying disks bespeaks a mental disorder.

Or did he really see a covey of flying disks? His testimony seems incredulous. But does that demean his original "flying saucer" sighting, June 24th, 1947?

Just as current and long-time UFO aficionados (you know who I mean) have become ET obsessed when it comes to UFOs, without any substantive proof of an extraterrestrial connection to the phenomenon. one can understand the psychological mechanisms at work in the symptomatic array that UFO buffs have become immersed in.

This is what happened to Kenneth Arnold, at a time when flying disk hysteria was prevalent, even rampant.

Or one can say that Arnold saw nine odd flying objects and even a covey of twenty-five shortly thereafter.

But that would be participating in the hysterical delusion, would it not?

RR